$50k Truck Challenge

"Logansteno: Bought a VW?" (logansteno) 11/23/2014 at 00:31 • Filed to: None

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Lets say you have $50,000 to spend on a new truck or truck-based SUV. What would you buy?

I'll start things off with a 2015 Silverado Double Cab LTZ 4x4.

Black over Black leather with 18" wheels and some chrome side steps. Along with a few more options. Silverado over Sierra because I prefer the looks up until the Denali/High Country trim levels.

Center console because I'm not a fan of how benches look in trucks. Standard 8" MyLink screen and Bose stereo.

Oh yeah, and the 6.2L V8 and 8-speed automatic.

There's a few more things like the LTZ plus package and Bedliner + Cover.

My truck slivers in at $49,550 thanks to a $1,000 rebate.

Now Oppo, lets see what you'd get.

Jordan and the Slowrunner, Boomer Intensifies > Logansteno: Bought a VW? 11/23/2014 at 00:42

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Obvious choice is obvious.

Logansteno: Bought a VW? > Jordan and the Slowrunner, Boomer Intensifies 11/23/2014 at 00:43

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I was building a 4-runner yesterday and didn't see the TRD Pro.

It appears I'm just stupid. Cause it's right there.

m-b-w loves his SUBAROO > Logansteno: Bought a VW? 11/23/2014 at 00:43

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2015 Ford Expedition XLT 4WD

$49,980 after a $1,750 rebate.

Jordan and the Slowrunner, Boomer Intensifies > Logansteno: Bought a VW? 11/23/2014 at 00:46

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It's in between Trail and Limited. I haven't ever wanted another vehicle more than I want one of these. Sounds stupid, but not even a Ferrari peaks my interest as much.

gawdzillla > Logansteno: Bought a VW? 11/23/2014 at 00:49

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does this count ?

cutting it close

My citroen won't start > Logansteno: Bought a VW? 11/23/2014 at 00:49

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Because I'm weird, it has to be new and the Land Cruiser is too expensive.

ly2v8-Brian > Logansteno: Bought a VW? 11/23/2014 at 00:50

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A RWD Z71 Reg. Cab 8ft box. a REAL truck.

Factory Spray in liner? Heck yes.

Tan seats, because black is boring. Vinyl floor because this is a truck.

Touchscreen because it looks better with rather than without.

Build sheet

I'm crazy enough I would order this Unicorn of a modern truck.

Logansteno: Bought a VW? > gawdzillla 11/23/2014 at 00:50

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Is there a truck frame under it?

Logansteno: Bought a VW? > My citroen won't start 11/23/2014 at 00:51

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That's the only picture I've ever seen of that where it looks acceptable.

CRider > Jordan and the Slowrunner, Boomer Intensifies 11/23/2014 at 00:51

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Toyota's off road division^

My citroen won't start > Logansteno: Bought a VW? 11/23/2014 at 00:53

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It got worse with time.

Logansteno: Bought a VW? > ly2v8-Brian 11/23/2014 at 00:55

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And 12,000 over to buy a Spark or something.

Jordan and the Slowrunner, Boomer Intensifies > CRider 11/23/2014 at 00:56

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I'm going to take a shot in the dark that you are referring to TuRD Pro?

ly2v8-Brian > Logansteno: Bought a VW? 11/23/2014 at 00:57

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Why would I need anything else, I have THE PERFECT TRUCK.

Logansteno: Bought a VW? > ly2v8-Brian 11/23/2014 at 00:58

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Until you need to move four people.

gawdzillla > Logansteno: Bought a VW? 11/23/2014 at 00:59

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it got leaf springs :shrug:

ly2v8-Brian > Logansteno: Bought a VW? 11/23/2014 at 01:04

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Very rarely do I ever need to drive more than one person, me, in my truck. So I will get what I need in a truck. Also you chose black over this green, are you nuts? have you seen this green in person?

Anyway just acknowledge I have optioned an amazing truck.

camaroboy68ss > Logansteno: Bought a VW? 11/23/2014 at 01:04

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this truck: 2014 Silverado std cab short box, plus the leftover cash I can lower it and add a hard cover over the bed, plus Blue Topaz

http://www.cars.com/vehicledetail/…

CRider > Jordan and the Slowrunner, Boomer Intensifies 11/23/2014 at 01:06

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In general, yes. The TRD Pro models are overpriced and underwhelming. And they killed the FJ Cruiser. And the Land Cruiser costs $80,000.

ly2v8-Brian > Jordan and the Slowrunner, Boomer Intensifies 11/23/2014 at 01:08

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Couldn't they have thought of a better name though? Like Toyota Performance Development? Anything that doesn't spell out T(u)RD?

Logansteno: Bought a VW? > ly2v8-Brian 11/23/2014 at 01:08

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Green is ugly on cars.

There, I've said it.

The only cars that should be green are old Jags and maybe to C7.

ly2v8-Brian > Logansteno: Bought a VW? 11/23/2014 at 01:10

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promoted by the color red > Logansteno: Bought a VW? 11/23/2014 at 01:17

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TRD Pro Tacoma w/6-speed manual: $37,320

ly2v8-Brian > Logansteno: Bought a VW? 11/23/2014 at 01:21

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Oh well, I'm just givin you a hard time.

Jordan and the Slowrunner, Boomer Intensifies > CRider 11/23/2014 at 01:26

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I really wouldn't call them over priced, since realistically the Tundra sells for 30k less than a Raptor. I would trust the Toyota over the Ford, any day of the week, in any situation.

AMGtech - now with more recalls! > Logansteno: Bought a VW? 11/23/2014 at 01:47

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Pro-4X Nissan Xterra in lava red with a stick

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GMC Canyon, don't know specifics because their configurator doesn't like me.

PetarVN, GLI Guy, now with stupid power > Logansteno: Bought a VW? 11/23/2014 at 02:15

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for me, it's going to be a Single cab/long box Chevy Silverado 2500HD, 4X4 LT with the 6.6 Duramax, the Z71 appearance package, in tungsten, with black cloth.

(no pic because internet's being annoying.

Logansteno: Bought a VW? > AMGtech - now with more recalls! 11/23/2014 at 02:17

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GMC's configurator has been acting weird for a while. I dunno whats up with it.

CRider > Jordan and the Slowrunner, Boomer Intensifies 11/23/2014 at 02:32

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Compared to the Raptor, the TRD Pro is Crack Pipe all day.

tsar > My citroen won't start 11/23/2014 at 03:01

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so much better

Luc - The Acadian Oppo > Logansteno: Bought a VW? 11/23/2014 at 04:33

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2015 Ford Transit XLT Wagon Long Wheelbase loaded with every option including the 3.2L Powerstroke diesel.

I'll even have a few bucks left over to buy candy to give away to young children.

E92M3 > Logansteno: Bought a VW? 11/23/2014 at 08:29

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I went F150 Super Crew Lariat. Because the Silverado reminds me of the early 90's model with those ugly proejctor headlights.

My citroen won't start > tsar 11/23/2014 at 10:40

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I agree 100%, the one after that looks even better, but logan said "new".

Justino6969 > Logansteno: Bought a VW? 11/23/2014 at 11:17

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It does look pretty terrible in the pictures, but see one in person sitting in the sunlight and you will change your mind. It's an absolutely stunning color.

Dingers Ghost, Champion Jockey > Logansteno: Bought a VW? 11/23/2014 at 12:13

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2015 Ford F-250 Super Duty XL, Single cab long bed, 6.7 PSD, 3.55 axle w/ electronic locker, 9900 GVWR package, FX4 package, HD front suspension, XL value package (didn't want chrome bumpers but upgrades radio), dual alternators, mud flaps, spray in bed liner, Aluminum wheels (a must on Supers because the steelies weigh about a ton each and that sucks), 265 tires over 245, cloth seats, Owner-command regeneration, Rapid-heat heater, trailer brake controller, accessorry switches, upgraded radio, and retractable tie down hooks on the bed rails

All comes to $47192. Diesel! 4 wheel drive! Lockers!

Jordan and the Slowrunner, Boomer Intensifies > CRider 11/23/2014 at 15:06

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So 30k more for a truck that has slightly better shocks than a truck that isn't the most expensive trim level? What kind of crack are you on? The Tundra isn't even 50k.

tsar > My citroen won't start 11/23/2014 at 15:19

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there's one after? I thought this was the last iteration before the terminator grille happened

My citroen won't start > tsar 11/23/2014 at 15:34

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tsar > My citroen won't start 11/23/2014 at 17:18

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ah that's nice

CRider > Jordan and the Slowrunner, Boomer Intensifies 11/23/2014 at 20:02

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What the fuck are you on? The Tundra TRD Pro is a $42k truck, the 2014 Raptor was a $45k truck. That's a $3k difference, and well worth it for a much more powerful, more capable truck.

Jordan and the Slowrunner, Boomer Intensifies > CRider 11/23/2014 at 20:13

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A fully loaded Tundra goes for less than 50k. A base Raptor, without the dealer mark-up goes for 45k. The dealer mark-up for the Raptor is still insane, and it comes with Ford reliability. Oh, and the Tundra actually finished the Baja 1000 stock class.

Jordan and the Slowrunner, Boomer Intensifies > CRider 11/23/2014 at 20:21

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Here is a 75k Raptor. It comes with 4 speakers. It has just as much credibility as the Tundra, i.e. Baja 1000. While the Tundra might not be quite as capable, it is much more affordable FULLY LOADED, and 99.9% of people would never notice the lack of capability. Toyota also has a lot better track record offroad for the last, 60 or so years, so I'm pretty sure they did their homework.

CRider > Jordan and the Slowrunner, Boomer Intensifies 11/23/2014 at 20:32

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There's no link there, but who cares? Of course you can load up a Raptor to more than it's base price. You also get a lot more for the money. The most expensive Supercab Raptor I could buil on Fords site is $57k, and that includes everything I could put on it from the factory. Also worth noting that the upgrade stereo in the Raptor is a 10 speaker, 700 watt Sony system. The Baja marketing stunt is meaningless, worthless. the hardware speaks for itself, the TRD is not comparable to the Raptor in capability. Even Toyota says the TRD Pro isn't comparable to the Raptor.

Jordan and the Slowrunner, Boomer Intensifies > CRider 11/23/2014 at 20:34

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http://www.autotrader.com/cars-for-sale/…

CRider > Jordan and the Slowrunner, Boomer Intensifies 11/23/2014 at 21:06

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The loaded Raptor is still a better deal than this loaded Tundra. Have you priced a set of Fox bypass shocks lately?

http://www.autotrader.com/cars-for-sale/…

Jordan and the Slowrunner, Boomer Intensifies > CRider 11/23/2014 at 21:41

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That isn't even the TRD Pro. That is the top spec truck. Yes, I have priced them. For the price of a TRD Pro, you could buy it and upgrade the suspension past Raptor levels. AND possibly have money left over to buy the TRD Supercharger. It's been proven that isn't necessary. If it can handle Baja, it doesn't really need to prove anything else.

CRider > Jordan and the Slowrunner, Boomer Intensifies 11/23/2014 at 21:50

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The Raptor isn't the top trim F150 either. And the Baja 1000 has a class for bone stock VW Beetles, any truck can complete the course with ease. The whole course is public roads in Mexico. Let's see, TRD Pro costs $42k, Raptor costs $45k. That's $3k left over to buy about two bypass shocks, two coilover shocks, lower A arms, fiberglass fenders, mechanical locking rear diff, limited slip front diff and engine upgrades. Good luck with that.

Jordan and the Slowrunner, Boomer Intensifies > CRider 11/23/2014 at 21:57

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Your skipping over the whole actually finding one for 45k and the options you don't get. I'll take the Toyota through experience with Toyota's. They will, and have always taken a lot more shit than anything else. They are known for their capability and reliability. Ford didn't get the Found On Road Dead title for no reason. Sure, Ford has a couple of exceptions like the Ranger, and when they throw everything they've got, they can build world beaters like the Ford GT. The Raptor is not the Ford GT.

CRider > Jordan and the Slowrunner, Boomer Intensifies 11/23/2014 at 22:04

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The Raptor was made by the same team that designed the GT. The head of the Raptor project, Jamal Hameedi, was also head of SVT when the GT was being developed. And if that tired old joke is your best argument for the Tundra, well, you aren't worth any more of my time. You clearly have your head so far up Toyota's ass that you can't see the light of day.

Jordan and the Slowrunner, Boomer Intensifies > CRider 11/23/2014 at 22:17

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Not up Toyota's ass, I just buy Ford's improvement in quality only slightly more than GM's. Lincoln symbolizes Ford. "But Ecoboost" is their claim to fame now, that is what they have. Chrysler's quality has improved, because how the hell could you get worse. Toyota cars have went to shit in the past few years, they are outdated as fuck, and wouldn't buy one if someone paid for half. But Toyota trucks and SUV's have been proven world wide. And judging by your article you've written on the Raptor, you fanboy it just as much. Quality control is my argument against the Raptor. Ford was the first to have the C.O. Jones to actually release something like it. Ram didn't push hard enough with their arguably better Ram Runner. GM had someone else build the ugly as shit Lingenfelter thing. Toyota is the first to actually try to compete, and I think these will hold out better.

boxrocket > Jordan and the Slowrunner, Boomer Intensifies 11/23/2014 at 22:34

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that looks like it's about to flip over the front right corner.

Jordan and the Slowrunner, Boomer Intensifies > boxrocket 11/23/2014 at 22:37

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Nah, mine does pretty much the same thing when parked.

CRider > Jordan and the Slowrunner, Boomer Intensifies 11/23/2014 at 22:39

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So I like the Raptor because it's so much more than anything that has come before (Power Wagon being the exception, although that's a different game altogether). That doesn't make ma a fanboy. So I wrote an article about the Raptor, which I never intended to reach Jalopnik, in response to one or two people on Oppo and to expose some myths about the truck. I don't think Lincoln symbolizes Ford, though I agree that Ecoboost does. I agree that Toyota Quality is all but history these days, although they have shown signs of life the cars are outdated and sometimes downright uncompetitive. If Toyota's quality is lagging, Ford's is surging ahead. Mechanically, Fords are some of the most reliable vehicles. They lag in some surveys because MFT sucks. I commend Toyota on actually building the Pro trucks, but I maintain that for the price, the Raptor is a better deal for the money, and has better upgrades that Toyota can't match for the price.

boxrocket > Logansteno: Bought a VW? 11/23/2014 at 22:54

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Ford F-250 Lariat FX4, green. 6.2L V8, Crew Cab, Long Bed. $49,480.

F-350 equipped the same is just over the $50K mark, even with the $1000 discount.

Model

2015 Ford F-250 LARIAT Crew Cab, 4x4, SRW, 8' Box, 6.2L 2-Valve SOHC EFI NA V8 (Flex-Fuel) Engine, TorqShift® 6-Speed Auto, O/D w/6.2L, 3.73 Electronic Locking Axle Ratio

$49,480

Packages

9,900 GVWR Package

$0

FX4 Off Road Package

$295

Lariat Ultimate Package

$2,685

Power Equipment Group

$0

Exterior

Green Gem

$0

Center High Mount Stop Lamp

$0

Engine Block Heater

$75

Exterior Back-up Alarm

$125

Extra Heavy Duty Alternator

$0

Fog Lamps

$0

Power Moonroof

$0

Power sliding rear window with privacy glass

$0

Reverse Vehicle Aid Sensor

$0

Roof Clearance Lights (standard with F-350 DRW and F-450)

$55

Skid Plates (4x4)

$0

Splash Guards

$130

Tailgate - Tailgate Step with Tailgate Assist™ (step and handle)

$0

Tough Bed Spray-In Bedliner

$475

Wheel Well Liner

$180

PowerScope® Trailer Tow Mirrors

$0

18" Bright Machined Cast Aluminum Wheels (SRW)

$0

LT275/70Rx18E OWL A/T (4), 4X4 Tires

$250

Interior

Adobe

$0

Premium Leather

$0

4X4 Electronic-Shift-On-the-Fly

$0

All-Weather Floor Mats

$75

Navigation System

$0

Rearview Camera

$0

Second-Row Heated Seats

$300

Trailer Brake Controller

$0

Upfitter Switches

$125

Premium Sony® Audio with Single CD Player

$0

SYNC® with MyFord Touch®

$0

SiriusXM Satellite Radio

$0

Steering Wheel Audio Controls

$0

Premium Leather-Trimmed 40/Console/40 Seat

$0

Accessories

Bed Extender

$365

Not a relatively puny half-ton, and while arguably outdated, still reliable and very capable.

Jordaneer, The Mountaineer Man > Logansteno: Bought a VW? 11/24/2014 at 20:20

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are there any new SUV's that aren't unibody?

Logansteno: Bought a VW? > Jordaneer, The Mountaineer Man 11/24/2014 at 20:25

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Uh..

Ford Expedition

Lincoln Navigator

Chevy Tahoe/Suburban

GMC Yukon/Yukon XL

Cadillac Escalade/Escalade ESV

Toyota 4Runner

Toyota Land Cruiser

Jeep Wrangler

I could go on...

Jordaneer, The Mountaineer Man > Logansteno: Bought a VW? 11/24/2014 at 20:28

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are there any american ones that are midsize (ford explorer-ish) I drive a first gen mercury mountaineer that is body-on-frame and I am just wondering.

JAREAL > Logansteno: Bought a VW? 11/24/2014 at 21:24

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And I don't care what any of you think